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Beyond the Hype: Cryptographic Computing & High-Order Programs with Ant Group's Tao Wei

AI 狂热之外,或许决胜局藏在“看不见”的地方 | 对话蚂蚁密算董事长韦韬:密态计算与高阶程序

Beyond the Hype: Cryptographic Computing & High-Order Programs with Ant Group's Tao Wei

August 24, 2025 01:26:36

Summary

Tao Wei, Chairman of AntChain TrustBase and Chief Technology Security Officer at Ant Group, discusses two critical, often overlooked technologies: cryptographic computing and high-order programming. He explains how these innovations are essential for building trust and reliability in AI, moving beyond the current hype to enable industrial-scale applications.

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Overview

In this episode, we delve into the often-unseen but crucial technologies shaping the future of AI with Tao Wei, a legendary figure in China's tech landscape. He shares insights on cryptographic computing, which enables secure data utilization while preserving privacy, and high-order programming, a new engineering paradigm for building reliable AI systems. These discussions highlight the foundational elements necessary for AI's industrialization and long-term trustworthiness.

Guest

Tao Wei is the Chairman of AntChain TrustBase (蚂蚁密算), Vice President, and Chief Technology Security Officer (CTSO) at Ant Group. A renowned technologist, he was also one of the founders of MITBBS (未名空间), a seminal online community for Chinese overseas students, and is a strong advocate for open source.

What You'll Learn

  • How cryptographic computing ensures data privacy while enabling its use for powerful AI models.
  • The concept of high-order programming as a framework for reliable and controllable AI outputs.
  • Why building trust and ensuring reliability are becoming key differentiators in the AI landscape.
  • The strategic importance of open source in advancing privacy-preserving technologies like 'Yin Yu' (隐语).
  • Real-world applications of cryptographic computing, from financial inclusion for farmers to reducing insurance premiums for new energy vehicles.

Topics Covered

  • Cryptographic Computing (密态计算) and its role in privacy-preserving AI
  • High-Order Programming (高阶程序) for AI reliability and control
  • The history and impact of MITBBS and Tao Wei's journey as an open-source advocate
  • Ant Group's 'Yin Yu' (隐语) open-source community and its global impact
  • The future of AI engineering, focusing on trust, control, and industrialization

Why This Matters

This episode offers a rare glimpse into the strategic thinking of a top Chinese tech executive, revealing how foundational technologies like cryptographic computing and high-order programming are critical for AI's secure and reliable future, providing essential context for global AI professionals and investors.

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